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he taught me all year long small business owners out there seeing the fiscal cliff in front of them have been saying i'm ready to sell. have you seen that? >> well, i just talked to a friend of mine today. why would anybody in america who has been successful continue to do it? on january 1st if my wife and i get hit by a bust the government thinks they're entitled to 55% basically everything have made. here's one hotel that iona's with about $20 million. apparently passing them on to my children on january 1st is some kind of threat to there public. i think it's a threat to being in the land of the free. gerri: as you are implying, the taxes, the debt tax sores after january 1 if nothing happens. >> monster. gerri: absolutely frightening. to you, you can see how people are reacting in the heartland to this. we're seeing reports every single day about people who are no upping the ante to charity because they're worried that their charitable donation will be worth less. companies are paying dividends like to have not seen in december. it seems to me like the rest of the world is ahead of c
he taught me all year long small business owners out there seeing the fiscal cliff in front of them have been saying i'm ready to sell. have you seen that? >> well, i just talked to a friend of mine today. why would anybody in america who has been successful continue to do it? on january 1st if my wife and i get hit by a bust the government thinks they're entitled to 55% basically everything have made. here's one hotel that iona's with about $20 million. apparently passing them on to my...
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paralyzed by the fiscal cliff. when will deals start to flow? that is coming up next in a fox business exclusive. ♪ says that clear answer is gold hi, i'm phil mickelson. i've been fortunate to win on golf's biggest stages. but whenoint pain and stiffness from psoriat arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffns, and stop joint damage. because enbrel, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. sious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fungal infections e common. don't start enbrel if you ve an infection like the flu. tell your doctor if you're prone to infections, haveuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been
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fiscal cliff or november's job numbers could be an anomaly and data thrown out the window in next month he a report. we have to see. >>> speaking of workers, ibm, a company at the forefront of employee benefits is overhauling the retirement benefits program, like many companies out there, they match employee 401(k) contributions 6 to 8% of pay every pay period. now the company says it is switching the matches it makes to once a year, so the amount employees get from ibm isn't changing but the workers that leave before december 15 matching date won't get their payment for the year. look out for companies to follow that move with similar ones of their own in attempt to save on employee benefits. be careful when you decide to leave the company you work for. bad timing could cost you. for more detailed coverage, tune into "your money" saturday at 1:00 p.m. eastern. paired with savory garlic shrimp. just $12.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to he
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on the fiscal cliff. why house speaker boehner says president obama is deliberately pushing the country over it. ashley: all right. first look how the dollar is moving right now as we finish another week of trading. a mixed bag but the euro, pulling back against the dollar, below that 1.30 mark. we'll be right back. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedheahcare, i gohelp that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors o get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're re than ,000 people looking out for so i never more than 70t. million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. can. >> at 19 minutes past the hour i'm arthel neville with your fox news minute. reuters reporting protesters broke through military barricades outside the presidential palace in cairo, egypt. late yesterday defiant president morsi calling for a dialog
on the fiscal cliff. why house speaker boehner says president obama is deliberately pushing the country over it. ashley: all right. first look how the dollar is moving right now as we finish another week of trading. a mixed bag but the euro, pulling back against the dollar, below that 1.30 mark. we'll be right back. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedheahcare, i gohelp that fit my life....
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today's discussion on the fiscal cliff clearly exceeds that far. we are honored to have such a thoughtful panel. senator mark warner, senator bob corker, congressman chris van hollen, governor tim pawlenty who is currently president and ceo of the financial services roundtable. moderate in our discussion today is albert hunt. we always love having l over here. he really put limburg on a map in d.c. and yesterday was his birthday so happy birthday. [applause] i'm going to turn things over to tom davis who is the man who really needs no introduction. he has been a great friend over the years. i would be remiss if i didn't give his full official title at deloitte. he is the director of federal government affairs. please join me in welcoming congressman tom davis. [applause] >> thank you and most importantly i left congress undefeated and unindicted so i am very happy about that. on behalf of deloitte i want to thank our all-star panel, senator corker, governor pawlenty, congressman van hollen in senator warner for participating in our all-star moderat
today's discussion on the fiscal cliff clearly exceeds that far. we are honored to have such a thoughtful panel. senator mark warner, senator bob corker, congressman chris van hollen, governor tim pawlenty who is currently president and ceo of the financial services roundtable. moderate in our discussion today is albert hunt. we always love having l over here. he really put limburg on a map in d.c. and yesterday was his birthday so happy birthday. [applause] i'm going to turn things over to tom...
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you are concerned about this fiscal cliff. what impact would it have on your business? >> it could dampen demand for product. we worry about the fiscal cliff but at the same time people are more worried about our quality in the u.s. and that helps demand for our product. jeff: this company went public in 2010, stock price $13, recently got up to 40. price targets are above that on it. take a look at that. cheryl: charles payne was right. jeff flock, thank you very much. ibm employees saying the big blue after the company says it is not paying 401(k) matches until the end of the year. dennis: holy jalopy, batman. these are live pictures of the backmobile from the 1960s tv series. we will speak to the designer and the auctioneer who will put this baby on the block. how much will go for? [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at lelzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like to
you are concerned about this fiscal cliff. what impact would it have on your business? >> it could dampen demand for product. we worry about the fiscal cliff but at the same time people are more worried about our quality in the u.s. and that helps demand for our product. jeff: this company went public in 2010, stock price $13, recently got up to 40. price targets are above that on it. take a look at that. cheryl: charles payne was right. jeff flock, thank you very much. ibm employees...
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and that's very consistent with the fiscal cliff weighing on business hiring and investment. machinery equipment in manufacturing employment was down. same with construction of nonresidential buildings. the strong retail numbers which have been strong for a couple months not just in november suggest the consumer has not been hit by the cliff. one other point about the hurricane impact, we don't know what the bureau of labor statistics considers substantial. according to ma ing ting t ingi 300,000 said they weren't working because of the weather and that's six times the normal level. >> to underscore the statistical significance, 86,000 was in the adp report affected by the hurricane. that's not within the statistical range with what they consider significant. it did have an impact and it may or may not have shown up. i think greg brings up a good point about the fiscal cliff and the break between consumer and corporate activity is very important. we saw the decline in investment in the third quarter very much related to fiscal cliff issues and concerns and delays on hiring an
and that's very consistent with the fiscal cliff weighing on business hiring and investment. machinery equipment in manufacturing employment was down. same with construction of nonresidential buildings. the strong retail numbers which have been strong for a couple months not just in november suggest the consumer has not been hit by the cliff. one other point about the hurricane impact, we don't know what the bureau of labor statistics considers substantial. according to ma ing ting t ingi...
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cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >> that thing really stuck. >> that's a good question. that's good trivia. i'll goog it. >> we've said it's not really. it doesn't happen really. it's more of a ski slope it's not a black diamond slope. it's more advanthan advanced. >> a double blue. >> but not without a lot of moguls. >> dan gilbert is the own of the cleveland cavaliers and the founder of quicken loans and you're the perfect person to have here because you have your finger on so many different things happening in detroit and around the country. let's start with the housing industry this morning because people have been trying to figure out if the resurgence
cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >>...
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is it going to be easier to get bipartisan view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is american companies have lots of money sitting overseas because they don't want to bring it back and be taxed in the united states. so that is something that puts as one of his eight points because it is holding back investments by american companies. >> all right. the new issue of "the economist" is "the world in 2013." daniel franklin. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. stay with us. much more on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever be
is it going to be easier to get bipartisan view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is...
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results, middle class perspectives on the economy and the fiscal cliff. it's expected to get under way shortly, and we're bringing it to you live here on c-span2. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> good morning, all. good morning. i'm john fox sullivan, i'm publisher at large of atlantic media company, we publish the atlantic, national journal, government executive, a new product, quartz, and we want to welcome you to this special event this morning. and i want to welcome our c-span audience which is tuning in. um, this is the 15th allstate/national journal heartland poll that we're going to be discussing this morning. since april of 2009, allstate and national journal and the atlantic have partnered in surveying the public opinion of a little bit oriented towards the mitt middle class -- middle class, but public at large. this was initiated by our friend ed reilly and ron brownstein of national journal and post the economic crisis, we decided to see what the american public perceptio
results, middle class perspectives on the economy and the fiscal cliff. it's expected to get under way shortly, and we're bringing it to you live here on c-span2. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> good morning, all. good morning. i'm john fox sullivan, i'm publisher at large of atlantic media company, we publish the atlantic, national journal, government executive, a new product, quartz, and we want to welcome you to...
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this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and liberty, if you can't stand for those, and fight for them, they have no business being one of the two major political parties. >> monica is right, the republicans have allowed obama to ccntrol the debate, we have the morale high ground and our plan, obama in 2011 talking about tax reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great wi
this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and...
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cliff concerns really mean for businesses and your money. jim aim most, chairman of tasti delight and plan net smoothie. we have the ceo of fastsigns. jamie richardson is the vice president of white castle. we have a power panel. thanks for joining us. i want to start with news from clarence otis, ceo of darden restaurants. obviously he came out of and said the forecast for his company going forward is looking very bleak. the negative media coverage focused on darden and how they might accommodate health care reform. he said they would have to go ahead and use many more part-time workers because obamacare was simply too expensive. there was a big backlash against that. so he is going to have to go ahead and, as a result, they are going to keep full-time workers on. they're stuck with the cost of obamacare. he also said, they're having a tough time, people aren't coming into the restaurants because the economy is bad. so in my mind he spoke out. he got punished for it. at the same time the economy is terrible. he is really struggling. at the
cliff concerns really mean for businesses and your money. jim aim most, chairman of tasti delight and plan net smoothie. we have the ceo of fastsigns. jamie richardson is the vice president of white castle. we have a power panel. thanks for joining us. i want to start with news from clarence otis, ceo of darden restaurants. obviously he came out of and said the forecast for his company going forward is looking very bleak. the negative media coverage focused on darden and how they might...
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if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it needs efforts. let's make them short for a better future. i think we should be ready as a corporation, being ready for maybe a year of difficult market, difficult situation in the market because that is a ceiling on our growth in terms of economical growth as to be released. it's really me an investment for the future. >> you're seeing a similar situation in france where we're talking about the possibility of capital gains taxes and dividend taxes going much higher. what will that do to the investor class, to the entrepreneurialism that we're seeing? what is the impact? >> well, it's amazing impact. short-term wise,
if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it needs efforts. let's make them short for a better...
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i am sure people are anxious about the fiscal cliff. should they be as worried? are we overplaying it in the media? >> time will tell. i will say that mainstream does not seem to be as focus on this as wall street or businesses are. the answer to how big an impact is somewhere in between the perceived whistling past the graveyard the consumers are doing and the obsession we all have with wall street and probably is a reality. but i think what tends to boost consumers''s psyche, their incomes would be things like gains in housing, falling castling prices, the recovery starting post hurricanes and the. those come in to play and we have both stocks and houses, the biggest the components of net worth generally moving in the right direction. that, i think, is causing the confidence among consumers and we, wall street, the media, have been -- tired of talking about -- [talking over each other] liz: great job. thank you. one of the last things you said was one of the most important. the two things that are the biggest network for people, stocks and housing, the home tha
i am sure people are anxious about the fiscal cliff. should they be as worried? are we overplaying it in the media? >> time will tell. i will say that mainstream does not seem to be as focus on this as wall street or businesses are. the answer to how big an impact is somewhere in between the perceived whistling past the graveyard the consumers are doing and the obsession we all have with wall street and probably is a reality. but i think what tends to boost consumers''s psyche, their...
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is the stock market pricing in a tumble over the fiscal cliff? losh abet senior economist and market strategist milton miss rought at this breaks it down with tracy and ash. stick around >> gold bars i suppose. >> i would be buying gold bars and real estate. >> under the mattress. >> let it all go. ashley: nothing wrong with those. not at all. >> and on that note --, take it away. ashley: thank you, ladies. as lori just said, drifting along. market up by 11 points. good afternoon, i'm ashley webster. tracy: i'm tracy byrnes. political theater over the fiscal cliff. how a senate battle over the presidential power around the debt ceiling could shape the cliff talks going forward. ashley: apple shares up today, but still down more than 20% from the all-time high less than three months ago. now is the time to buy. is there more downside ahead? all the people wondering about apple. we'll speak to one leading analyst is here soon. tracy: i do my part this holiday season for apple. somebody has to buy the stock. goinn over the fiscal cliff means big bud
is the stock market pricing in a tumble over the fiscal cliff? losh abet senior economist and market strategist milton miss rought at this breaks it down with tracy and ash. stick around >> gold bars i suppose. >> i would be buying gold bars and real estate. >> under the mattress. >> let it all go. ashley: nothing wrong with those. not at all. >> and on that note --, take it away. ashley: thank you, ladies. as lori just said, drifting along. market up by 11 points....
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. >> tom, business investment was down 2.2% in the latest gdp report, and a lot of that is fiscal cliff tied to that. when do you see business investments starting to pick up, because we all kind of know the housing story, we know consumers kind of hung in. i think actually the next big upside could be a business investment, if it comes back but when does that come, in your opinion? >> it's a tricky question because there's two dynamics when we talk about business investment, it's capital spending which has a huge tech component, but it's also construction activity because it's building out the commercial infrastructure, health care, roads, et cetera, that associate with capital spending itself. companies can be cautious and we know there are multi, multidecade levels of cautiousness given their cash and where spending is and at some point pure replacement has to take over. that's really what sparked the recovery in housing, we were scrapping so many homes and you had organic growth. i think we're getting to the break point soon. >> tom, let me ask you about a couple of your picks befor
. >> tom, business investment was down 2.2% in the latest gdp report, and a lot of that is fiscal cliff tied to that. when do you see business investments starting to pick up, because we all kind of know the housing story, we know consumers kind of hung in. i think actually the next big upside could be a business investment, if it comes back but when does that come, in your opinion? >> it's a tricky question because there's two dynamics when we talk about business investment, it's...
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cheryl: they are leaving town despite the fact we are nowhere close to a deal on the fiscal cliff. what is going on, rich edson? "imus in the morning" rich: house republicans will host the events with small business leaders in their districts and highlight what republicans say will be the economic damage small-business from raising income-tax rates on families earning $250,000 a year. president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going to suburban virginia to speak to a middle-class family and he will press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases by raising rates on those making more. in washington it is the same fight. >> president obama, democrats in congress have ever been ambiguous, provide economic security for 90% of american families and 97% of small businesses asking the wealthiest 2% to contribute just a little more to stop this runaway debt. >> what the president is really interested in as we learned just yesterday he is getting as much taxpayer money as he can first by raising taxes on
cheryl: they are leaving town despite the fact we are nowhere close to a deal on the fiscal cliff. what is going on, rich edson? "imus in the morning" rich: house republicans will host the events with small business leaders in their districts and highlight what republicans say will be the economic damage small-business from raising income-tax rates on families earning $250,000 a year. president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going...
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there is that fiscal cliff worry out there, it's a real concern. there are the tax implications here and the profit-taking that's under way right now and i don't know that we're done with that and just in general a macro economic environment and so much of the apple story is still consumer products and there's pressure in those areas, comes right back to gross margins and what can the business model support right now. those are a lot of reasons why they're neutral. >> when do you get more positive given your latest checks are fairly favorable in terms of products, retail channels, it's clear that they have a pretty big moat when it comes to tablets. at what level do you get more positive? >> i think you're tempted technically and earnings power perspective as well as the dividend gets above 2% and i think that's attractive for many people. you're right, the holiday checks we've done, black friday and the commencement of the weekend through cyber monday all checked out favorably for apple. i think they're still the hottest going brand in town and th
there is that fiscal cliff worry out there, it's a real concern. there are the tax implications here and the profit-taking that's under way right now and i don't know that we're done with that and just in general a macro economic environment and so much of the apple story is still consumer products and there's pressure in those areas, comes right back to gross margins and what can the business model support right now. those are a lot of reasons why they're neutral. >> when do you get more...
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while i hope that the negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff are successful, in my view we should not wait for a grand bargain in order to finish work on this important tax extender legislation. tax extenders are different from the other fiscal cliff issues for three basic reasons, and let me describe those reasons. first tax extenders are much less contentious than the other end of year problems that we -- that need to be resolved. the tax extender bill on the senate calendar has strong bipartisan support. in august, the finance committee approved it by a large margin. we have support from six republicans, including the ranking member, senator hatch. all 13 democrats supported it. i believe that many more republicans will vote for this legislation if it's brought up for consideration here in the senate. the bill consists entirely of tax cuts. it should not be difficult to get senators to vote for tax cuts, right before christmas especially. most of these tax cuts have solid bipartisan support. many of these tax cuts will help the economy, will help the middle class. for example, the
while i hope that the negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff are successful, in my view we should not wait for a grand bargain in order to finish work on this important tax extender legislation. tax extenders are different from the other fiscal cliff issues for three basic reasons, and let me describe those reasons. first tax extenders are much less contentious than the other end of year problems that we -- that need to be resolved. the tax extender bill on the senate calendar has strong...
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but his point man on fiscal cliff negotiation struck a much different tone. if republicans don't but specifically tax rates on upper earners the white house is ready to go right over the cliff. >> we see there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2%. >> largely backs the president on those rates. 48% support the plan to raise them on upper earners compared to 32% of leaving rates unchanged. when it comes to government spending, the gop has the edge. to help balance the budget, spending cuts should take precedence over tax hikes, 46 to 30%. and leaders in congress who met with business leaders say they have already offered to raise tax by cutting deductions and the president has yet to counter their proposal. >> i'll be here and available at any moment to sit down with the president if he gets serious about solving this problem. >> it's possible the white house may be bluffing, the administration did order the pentagon to consider the big cuts in military spending that would happen if we don't reach an agreement. i
but his point man on fiscal cliff negotiation struck a much different tone. if republicans don't but specifically tax rates on upper earners the white house is ready to go right over the cliff. >> we see there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2%. >> largely backs the president on those rates. 48% support the plan to raise them on upper earners compared to 32% of leaving rates unchanged. when it comes to government spending, the gop...
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do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it? comparing it to some of the other times people asked about news event, there's the trayvon martin shooting in the street, occupy wall street, 82%, facebook ipo 7 %, 70% of the republic has heard it compared to the fiscal crisis in greece, 63% had heard it. in that number 36% had read a lot about it or heard a lot about it. do they believe a solution is likely? our numbers different from other poles. americans are more optic. first of all see what they think, unlikely 73% back in november when we asked about the debt program would there be an agreement, 73% saying that, now 44%. the number you want to think is 4% to 44% thinks a solution is likely. who thinks it's likely, that's interesting and driving this number. he can break it down by party. look at what we find, republicans 52-42, independents, i come back here, there we go, independents 47-32 and it's really what you see here 60% of democrats think it's unlikely. i just want to show you again when we get to
do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it? comparing it to some of the other times people asked about news event, there's the trayvon martin shooting in the street, occupy wall street, 82%, facebook ipo 7 %, 70% of the republic has heard it compared to the fiscal crisis in greece, 63% had heard it. in that number 36% had read a lot about it or heard a lot about it. do they believe a solution is likely? our numbers different from other poles. americans are...
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we are willing to go over the fiscal cliff. why? to square the members to call their members of congress. if you talk to business people and people in the banking industry they are not concerned about the fiscal cliff and i am not sure why. maybe they feel it is going to get done. this is very, very interesting. >> steve: i think there are people who are optmistic that something can happen in the long run. >> brian: we get past this hurdle and we might get on a roll. >> steve: john boehner said the republicans point of view. we don't have to raise rates on the top people. we can tighten things up and close the loop holes and deduction. actually that the president of the united states's point of view back last year . now he said it is all about tax rates. this is the president in a flash back. >> what we said give us 1.2 trillion in additional revenues which could be accomplished without hiking tax rates, but could simply be questioned by eliminating loop holes and deductions and engaging in a tax reform process that could have lower
we are willing to go over the fiscal cliff. why? to square the members to call their members of congress. if you talk to business people and people in the banking industry they are not concerned about the fiscal cliff and i am not sure why. maybe they feel it is going to get done. this is very, very interesting. >> steve: i think there are people who are optmistic that something can happen in the long run. >> brian: we get past this hurdle and we might get on a roll. >> steve:...
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michael, on your deadline fiscal cliff we know when it happens january 1. the president's got his plan, the republicans have sort of a plan. the center for american progress came out with its own this week, why? you don't think the others are good enough? >> well, what we saw as a real need was a plan for comprehensive tax reform. not just nibbling around the edges but really trying to do something big and bold that would not only raise the revenue that we need and we do absolutely need to raise revenue but fix the problems in the tax code and we don't think that that's something that's going to happen in the next three weeks. we do think that that's something that's going to happen or could happen over the next year. and the parameters for that might be agreed upon in the next few weeks. we really wanted to put that out there and say listen, here are some really good ideas on how to really fundamentally reshape -- >> bill: first two or three points, what are you proposing in terms of raising the tax rates for the wealthiest go up? what else? >> the basic p
michael, on your deadline fiscal cliff we know when it happens january 1. the president's got his plan, the republicans have sort of a plan. the center for american progress came out with its own this week, why? you don't think the others are good enough? >> well, what we saw as a real need was a plan for comprehensive tax reform. not just nibbling around the edges but really trying to do something big and bold that would not only raise the revenue that we need and we do absolutely need...
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whether we see this as part of the fiscal cliff deal, we are pushing for it. charles: at some point they do need to address this. this hurtsvery single american inhe wrong way. thanks so much. you know about a bad business? you might think twice about giving it a bad review. next, a woman's review on yelp strikes online criticism. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, urses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest avege star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only national medicare advantage company to achieve a 5-star rating for a medicare plan... your efforts result in the quality of care and service we'
whether we see this as part of the fiscal cliff deal, we are pushing for it. charles: at some point they do need to address this. this hurtsvery single american inhe wrong way. thanks so much. you know about a bad business? you might think twice about giving it a bad review. next, a woman's review on yelp strikes online criticism. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and...
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. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans cide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nati's debt ceing. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the ink of default again as part of a budget negotiation, i will not play that game. >> republicans held their meeting with small business owners and denied they are trying to punt until next year. >> i'll be here. i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving the problem. >> they noted the president has not scheduled any meetings with g.o.p. leaders in weeks and not offered a counterproposal to boehner's plan from last week. >> frankly, it was the balanced apoach the president's be asking for. we need a response from the white house. >> reporter
. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans cide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nati's debt ceing. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling...
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as the markets remain focused on the fiscal cliff, what else should we be watching ahead of tomorrow's market trading. we have 30 seconds on the clock for each of our next guests. joining me now is stephanie link from the street. chris from huntington funds. good to see you both. stephanie, kick us off. 30 seconds on the clock. what do you want to see tomorrow? >> interest rate decisions from the ecb as well as bank of england. commentary from mario draghi will be very important about the state of affairs in europe. there's an analyst meeting tomorrow. a lot of this is tied to stronger revenue growth. and there's an analyst meeting tomorrow on hombres. i like both stocks. >> thanks a lot, stephanie. chris, what are you looking for. 30 seconds on the clock. what do you want to look at to move our money? >> the major impact is looking at the fiscal cliff. any compromise close to that is going to give the market some upward swing. the gop is under extreme pressure since president obama is definitely going to be seeing a wealthy tax added to it. on the economic news, little light tomorrow
as the markets remain focused on the fiscal cliff, what else should we be watching ahead of tomorrow's market trading. we have 30 seconds on the clock for each of our next guests. joining me now is stephanie link from the street. chris from huntington funds. good to see you both. stephanie, kick us off. 30 seconds on the clock. what do you want to see tomorrow? >> interest rate decisions from the ecb as well as bank of england. commentary from mario draghi will be very important about the...
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those 40 republicans part of this bipartisan group that would be open to new ideas on the fiscal cliff talks. of the dow, the best performers and worst performers today, the full-ti financials higher led by bank of america. nasdaq, we need to highlight this, was lower, down 20 points today. why? because of apple. apple had one of its worst days. we highlighted this earlier. something very archean called the death cross, the 50-day moving average crossed below the 200-day moving average. what does that mean? just means it could be going lower from here. down 6% on apple today. the yield of the ten-year went lower. as they were buying stocks, they were also buying treasuries today. we were below 1.58 for a time on the ten-year note. finally, watch the vix. the fear indicator continues to move lower today. we've not been above 20. sort of the yellow flag territory since july. ben willis, is this market complacent since the fear indicator does not go higher even when we have fears about the fiscal cliff? >> no, i don't think it's come play september. i think we've actually started the end
those 40 republicans part of this bipartisan group that would be open to new ideas on the fiscal cliff talks. of the dow, the best performers and worst performers today, the full-ti financials higher led by bank of america. nasdaq, we need to highlight this, was lower, down 20 points today. why? because of apple. apple had one of its worst days. we highlighted this earlier. something very archean called the death cross, the 50-day moving average crossed below the 200-day moving average. what...
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tracy: new your againsy on the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner is demanding a face-to-face meeting with president obama and the pentagon is preparing for the worst. >> it could take a week to clear out the backlog of ships. we're live at the port of los angeles straight ahead. tracy: time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. it has been a wild ride. a lot of it has to do with apple, right? >> the big picture, markets are higher. apple has come under pressure. let's look at the major market averages. the dow is up triple digits, completely erasing losses over last couple days. posting a gain for the week. tech-heavy nasdaq pom cost it is moving to the because weighed down by apple. research and findings have found that apple faces intense competition in the tablet market for ipad and ipad mini and probably will lose market share to android and even microsoft systems. you're seeing apple down 28, almost 29 bucks. a terrible day if you're a shareholder hoping to get to t
tracy: new your againsy on the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner is demanding a face-to-face meeting with president obama and the pentagon is preparing for the worst. >> it could take a week to clear out the backlog of ships. we're live at the port of los angeles straight ahead. tracy: time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. it has been a wild ride. a lot of it has to do with apple, right? >> the big picture, markets are...
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over the fiscal cliff. he's also claiming to call on congressional leaders to make sure we raise the debt ceiling without contention. the white house making the case that extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class is directly connected to the health of our businesses. companies need to know consumers will be able to spend and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> let's hope he sticks to it. >> g.o.p. leaders aren't only dealing with the president and congressional democrats they're dealing with a split within their own ranks. more conservative republicans don't want party leaders to compromise anymore than they think they already have. even though the republican plan offers up $800 billion in new taxes without upping tax rates a
over the fiscal cliff. he's also claiming to call on congressional leaders to make sure we raise the debt ceiling without contention. the white house making the case that extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class is directly connected to the health of our businesses. companies need to know consumers will be able to spend and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's...
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dennis: president obama pushing the fiscal cliff to the business leaders. cheryl: speaker john boehner is getting an earful saying he is caving. rich edson is in washington with more. >> perhaps folks in washington are thinking maybe these two sides will get down to actually doing sometime soon but they say that is noo happening right now. house speaker john boehner said he's willing to sit down and talk to the president. we asked the white house if they plan on calling the speaker of the house inviting him over for a phone call, the white house hasn't responded to that question. coming down to two objects. >> if all you're relying on his closing exceptions and loopholes. let me amend that. it is not wise to do as a practical matter. >> they will come from guess who. the rich. there are ways to limit the options, close the polls and have them pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> that seems to be the key to this entire fiscal cliff mess. president obama saying the roundtable was struck by ceo's willingness to pay hi
dennis: president obama pushing the fiscal cliff to the business leaders. cheryl: speaker john boehner is getting an earful saying he is caving. rich edson is in washington with more. >> perhaps folks in washington are thinking maybe these two sides will get down to actually doing sometime soon but they say that is noo happening right now. house speaker john boehner said he's willing to sit down and talk to the president. we asked the white house if they plan on calling the speaker of the...
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two days after the republican fiscal cliff counter offer, both sides are coming out swings. speaker john boehner defended his proposal this morning, adopting a page from the dem's fairness playbook. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue than raising
two days after the republican fiscal cliff counter offer, both sides are coming out swings. speaker john boehner defended his proposal this morning, adopting a page from the dem's fairness playbook. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue than raising
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business, continue to grow and at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. each and every day as we walk the halls you continue to ask the question. we want the answers solving fiscal cliff. we put be a offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> as fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. under this administration under president obama we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes -- >> those are some of the republican leadership in the house as you can see responding to the white house's response to their counteroffer of a couple days ago as a reminder the president is going to speak to the business roundtable at 10:50 this morning. we think he
business, continue to grow and at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. each and every day as we walk the halls you continue to ask the question. we want the answers solving fiscal cliff. we put be a offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead....
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the optics of republicans leaving today, wednesday, with two days left in the week with the fiscal cliff not too far away certainly may be questionable. what they insist is that their members are going to go back home and talk to their businesses and small business leaders to maybe play the outside in-game that the president has been playing by trying to rally support for his side of this issue. >> dana bash, reporting live from capitol hill. >>> also, right now, brefing congress about exactly what happened in benghazi. every single members of the house of representatives, all 400 plus of them were invited. so elise, this is a multimedia presentation. so is it a power point on benghazi? >> reporter: well, carol, the members are just starting to arrive right now. they will be meeting in this room right here, this auditorium. minority leader nancy pelosi just arrived. basically, it's going to be very similar to the briefing that some of the members of the intelligence committees, armed services committee, the leadership, those classified briefings already took place with a very specific le
the optics of republicans leaving today, wednesday, with two days left in the week with the fiscal cliff not too far away certainly may be questionable. what they insist is that their members are going to go back home and talk to their businesses and small business leaders to maybe play the outside in-game that the president has been playing by trying to rally support for his side of this issue. >> dana bash, reporting live from capitol hill. >>> also, right now, brefing congress...
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we'll and jeff solomon -- what other effects the fiscal cliff is having on business and investment. and reminder, here we go again, this is -- don't miss steve liesman's exclusive interview. >> read it, joe, it's what the company wants you to do. >> with treasury secretary tim geithner. liesman will be on at 4:00 he'll also have geithner. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. let's take a look at shares of walgreens. november same store sales fell by 6.2%. that is smaller than the 7.3% drop that analysts had been expecting. >>> and a big deal just made official moments ago, freeport mcmoran is buying two companies. the combined price about $20 billion. now owns about 31% of mcmoran exploration. take a look at that, up about 25% for plains exploration. >> mm-hmm. >>> and another company moving up its dividend, best b
we'll and jeff solomon -- what other effects the fiscal cliff is having on business and investment. and reminder, here we go again, this is -- don't miss steve liesman's exclusive interview. >> read it, joe, it's what the company wants you to do. >> with treasury secretary tim geithner. liesman will be on at 4:00 he'll also have geithner. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus...
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fiscal cliff. the group is urging congress to take immediate action to avoid those automatic tax increases and spending cuts come january. president obama is saying that with the way speaker boehner plan stands now, no deal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. we will have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we are not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> that was an exclusive with bloomberg t.v. and the first televised interview since the president's re-election. as you heard, taxes are the big issue blocking this deal from taking place. president obama is calling for downhill the amount of tax revenue as speaker boehner over the next tens years, most from the nation's top earners. many. republicans say that's not the way to handle this. here is marco rubio. >> it wouldn'ting make a small bent in the debt but it would heard middle class businesses. >> the g.o.p. could be risking a civil war over this issue. it does not look like obama is ready to cave. if that
fiscal cliff. the group is urging congress to take immediate action to avoid those automatic tax increases and spending cuts come january. president obama is saying that with the way speaker boehner plan stands now, no deal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. we will have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we are not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> that was an exclusive with bloomberg t.v. and the first televised interview since the...
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at the focus of the fiscal cliff debate. they would bear the blame if we do go over the edge. the president sat down with bloomberg news yesterday to talk about this. he said he might be willing to budge on some things but tax rates on the wealthy must go up. republicans should agree to raise them he says now and trust them that spending cuts will go away. >> let's put a down payment on taxes let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. >> they have heard these problems before any deal must tackle entitlements such as medicare and social security to put them on a sustainable path. vice presidential candidate and budget chairman paul ryan says the overall thinking has to change. >> the problem they are the same. but the old ways won't do. we need new thinking and renewed efforts from all americans. look, it is true that president obama won reelection. i congratulate him on his victory. but on january 20th, he will face a stagnant economy and a fiscal mess. you might even say he will inherit these problems. >> this has
at the focus of the fiscal cliff debate. they would bear the blame if we do go over the edge. the president sat down with bloomberg news yesterday to talk about this. he said he might be willing to budge on some things but tax rates on the wealthy must go up. republicans should agree to raise them he says now and trust them that spending cuts will go away. >> let's put a down payment on taxes let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. >> they have heard these problems...
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president obama playing fiscal cliff hardball this morning. he's telling republicans he will not agree to a deal that doesn't include a tax hike on the wealthiest americans, hardening his position on this. he'll be meeting with business leaders today. >>> later this morning, speaker john boehner meets with fellow house republicans. sources tell cnn gop leaders are looking for a way out. >> it turns out the barefoot recipient of boots by a new york city police officer was shoeless but guess what, not homeless. city officials say jeffrey hillman does have stable housing, an parm in the bronx. they say he's lived there rent-free for the past three years. but hillman regularly panhandles in times square. >> a former boy scout who says he was sexually abused is suing is the boy scouts of america. the lawsuit claims his former troop leader, thomas hacker was barred from the group in indiana in the 1970s but was able to rejoin as a volunteer in illinois in the 1980s. hacker was arrested in 1988, later convicted in the aggravated sexual assault of an
president obama playing fiscal cliff hardball this morning. he's telling republicans he will not agree to a deal that doesn't include a tax hike on the wealthiest americans, hardening his position on this. he'll be meeting with business leaders today. >>> later this morning, speaker john boehner meets with fellow house republicans. sources tell cnn gop leaders are looking for a way out. >> it turns out the barefoot recipient of boots by a new york city police officer was shoeless...
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melissa: up next you think phe fiscal cliff is giving you a headache? we'll tell you why taking the plunge is giving a lot of doctors full-on ulcers. >>> plus california's plan to be the green energy leader could take businesses an consumers out at the knees. a bipartisan report warns governor jerry brown to step in. the head of it is here to explain why. i feel like he is not going to. we'll see. "piles of money" coming up. jerry brown is not going to step in. ♪ . ♪ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., re estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason er 75% of our mutual funds eat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to ad and consider carefuy before investing. ♪ . melissa: well it is definitely appropriate it say concerns over the fiscal cliff have hit
melissa: up next you think phe fiscal cliff is giving you a headache? we'll tell you why taking the plunge is giving a lot of doctors full-on ulcers. >>> plus california's plan to be the green energy leader could take businesses an consumers out at the knees. a bipartisan report warns governor jerry brown to step in. the head of it is here to explain why. i feel like he is not going to. we'll see. "piles of money" coming up. jerry brown is not going to step in. ♪ . ♪ male...
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cliff negotiations. at the closing bell the dow is down 14 points. modest losses across the board. that is the latest from the fox business network. giving you the power to prosper our efforts result in ty of care and ice we're able to provide... which means better health outcomes... anmore quality time to share with the onewho matter most. i love you, grandma! [ male announcer ] humana. ♪ liz: every year "inc." magazine comes out with its company of the year and this year it is zumba fitness. citing its business model as a major factor for the success. here with more on the company's growth and future plans, ceo and cofounder alberto pearlman. what a story with entrepreneural twist that is so amazing. you were a dancer at age eight. >> i wasn't a dancer. perez was the dancer. liz: but you know how to dance now. >> a little bit. but that was not the dancer. liz: how did you simply decide this was an idea that could really get going? >> well, i was having dinner at my parents house and my mom was taking
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thank you. >>> the fast-approaching fiscal cliff causing a lot of nervousness among businesses. the uncertainty over taxes causing many of them to pull back on spending and hiring, especially among the small manufacturing companies. our phil lebeau with new and exclusive data on that very subject. what do the numbers look like, phil? >> not pretty, sue. we talked with the folks at pay net, who track about 20 million loans involving 17 million small businesses and essentially, what they have found going back and looking at the data in the second quarter is essentially, this summer, a real pull back by small manufacturers, cutting investment in plants and equipment by 50%. the transportation equipment manufacturing sector, in particular that he saw a big dropoff, roughly 33%. when you take a look at small manufacturers overall, look at the end there. you see that dip there, going below the dotted line? that shows they have gone into negative territory in the second quarter when it comes to investment. the one silver lining here is small manufacturers, because they cut back, they a
thank you. >>> the fast-approaching fiscal cliff causing a lot of nervousness among businesses. the uncertainty over taxes causing many of them to pull back on spending and hiring, especially among the small manufacturing companies. our phil lebeau with new and exclusive data on that very subject. what do the numbers look like, phil? >> not pretty, sue. we talked with the folks at pay net, who track about 20 million loans involving 17 million small businesses and essentially,...
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and the fiscal cliff negotiations. u.s. banks posting their best quarterly performance in six years. according to the fdic, banks posted a combined profit of more than 37 1/2 billion dollars during the third quarter. that is the 6.6% increase from the same time last year. the number of banks on the agency's problem list also fell from 732 to 694. >>> newly-elected massachusetts senator elizabeth warren has been tapped by democrats for a seaton the senate banking committee. warren won her seat campaigning as a populist who would crack down on big banks. this comes two years after she unsuccessfully lobbied to the run for the consumer protection bureau. that is the latest from fox business network, giving you the power to prosper lori: let's give you an update. i was chuckling because so many people are talking about anna wintour, nomination, to be ambassador to england. a lot of people gufawing over that. let's talk about the stock market. it is doing absolutely nothing. the reason is investors are holding out, they hope we
and the fiscal cliff negotiations. u.s. banks posting their best quarterly performance in six years. according to the fdic, banks posted a combined profit of more than 37 1/2 billion dollars during the third quarter. that is the 6.6% increase from the same time last year. the number of banks on the agency's problem list also fell from 732 to 694. >>> newly-elected massachusetts senator elizabeth warren has been tapped by democrats for a seaton the senate banking committee. warren won...
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cliff? is it not a cliff? is it it -- is it a slope? is it the end of america as we know it or whatever? but in this debate there are few things that are absolutely critical. tax policy, the president has laid out very, very clearly as did the election. we are going to do tax reform. yes, and it's time for those at the upper end of this wealthy country to pay their fair share. and so the president has made it very clear, we are going to raise the rates on those making over $250,000 a year. by the way, we ought to be clear about understanding what that means. that means 100% of americans get a tax break. on the first $250,000 of income. over that, yes, they are going to pay a higher rate, marginal rate for that over the top. but what i really want to talk about today with my colleagues who will be joining me in the next few minutes is another part of this debate. and that is on the reductions in federal expenditures. what's the best way to do it? how are we going to reduce federal expenditure
cliff? is it not a cliff? is it it -- is it a slope? is it the end of america as we know it or whatever? but in this debate there are few things that are absolutely critical. tax policy, the president has laid out very, very clearly as did the election. we are going to do tax reform. yes, and it's time for those at the upper end of this wealthy country to pay their fair share. and so the president has made it very clear, we are going to raise the rates on those making over $250,000 a year. by...
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that's the way it will be for much of december, unless there's a huge headline on the fiscal cliff talks. back with the mayor of phoenix trying to lure people away from california. stuart: businesses in california fleeing that state, tax rates, cost of doing business just too much. one place they are going to phoenix, arizona. here's why, according to the phoenix economic council, operating costs are 40% lower than in california. arizona so attractive to business that in the last eight years more than 60 california companies have relocated there. phoenix mayor greg stanton joins us right now. your honor, welcome to the show. good to have you with us. >> great to be on, thanks for having me. stuart: okay, now, you have got a great climate, understand that. your costs are 40% lower, but i want to know, did you prize those california companies over to you by giving them huge tax breaks? >> we want to make sure in arizona that we are as competitive as possible. stuart: is that a yes? programs, tax incentives, but look, a company is not going to move, a company is not going to expand in arizo
that's the way it will be for much of december, unless there's a huge headline on the fiscal cliff talks. back with the mayor of phoenix trying to lure people away from california. stuart: businesses in california fleeing that state, tax rates, cost of doing business just too much. one place they are going to phoenix, arizona. here's why, according to the phoenix economic council, operating costs are 40% lower than in california. arizona so attractive to business that in the last eight years...
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brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january i think they will probably see some sort of a modest slowdown versus that third quarter trend that we saw. >> let me take you specifically to a note out you have this morning on the cruise liners where you are talking about the trends there. the pricing there continuing to deteriorate at a time when royal caribbean is up 42% year-to-date. carnival up 19%. what do you make of that area now? should people sell? >> i guess i would say contrary to what your guest just said from bank of america, we are actually seeing weakening signs across all four sectors. we cover hospitality broa
brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january...
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we talked about a lot of things including the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people continue to spend, housing is a little better. all the things that affect stock market are in decent shape. the question was will everything going on cause them on slow down again. >> what are you you see rg businesses right now? >> almost a year and a halving a go, businesses getting concerned about the nature of the dialogue about the fiscal situation? washington and in europe and the issues that had to be dealt with long term and how it affects near term business in terms of what would be accelerated appreciation for investment in business. what will be the final demand
we talked about a lot of things including the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people...
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is it irrelevant to your business if we go over the fiscal cliff? how does a ceo look at what's happening in washington and decide for next year? >> most of the ceos look at the situation in washington with complete amazement and dismay to be frank about it. the problem is the ideological pinnings on both sides of this argument are so difficult to bridge that it's going to be hard for them to get a deal. >> he also said that they're fighting the wrong fight. i asked would you be willing to pay higher taxes yourself? warren buffett says rich should pay higher taxes. he said the fight should be about the corporate tax rate, doing things to goad corporations into spending money and into hiring, and into really building out their business, not just for small business but for big business, too. that's what the argument should be. the argument over tax rates for the rich is the wrong fight to be having. >> what worries me about this, you said these big ceos like fred smith will make decisions as we get closer to the fiscal cliff, because they have to kick
is it irrelevant to your business if we go over the fiscal cliff? how does a ceo look at what's happening in washington and decide for next year? >> most of the ceos look at the situation in washington with complete amazement and dismay to be frank about it. the problem is the ideological pinnings on both sides of this argument are so difficult to bridge that it's going to be hard for them to get a deal. >> he also said that they're fighting the wrong fight. i asked would you be...
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cliff. to your point, you recently said, even if we reach a deal, the economy is still at series risk of a recession. >> that is right. we are looking at and economy that is very weak. growth was very disappointed. less than 2% real gdp growth in 2012. we will be struggling to achieve that next year, even without hitting the economy with more fiscal bad news. if we go over the cliff, it is really a major downturn. uncertainty remains about what is coming next. put that all together and we could certainly be put on the edge of a recession. lori: that manufacturing number coming in the low 50s, singling contraction. is that the first signal that this economy really is in trouble? >> certainly not the first signal. household earnings down. real disposable personal income has not increased since may. we are really looking at an economy that is weak. ooly thing keeping keeping consumer spending going is that households have been prepared to cut back on their savings rate to such a low level that
cliff. to your point, you recently said, even if we reach a deal, the economy is still at series risk of a recession. >> that is right. we are looking at and economy that is very weak. growth was very disappointed. less than 2% real gdp growth in 2012. we will be struggling to achieve that next year, even without hitting the economy with more fiscal bad news. if we go over the cliff, it is really a major downturn. uncertainty remains about what is coming next. put that all together and we...